Hey, everybody, I have one of my favorite people on the podcast and a friend, Gary Wagner,

from Colorado, his old colleague, Mike from Waterkeeper on Science Day, and he is the Poudre

Waterkeeper in Colorado. But he also spends a lot of time protecting the Colorado River,

which is now in crisis, and Gary is a writer of articles of books. He's one of every award

from every environmental group. He's got 20 pages of awards here, more than anything. He's a river

warrior. He's a water man. He is a river runner, and he has lived trying to protect our waterways,

and about half our communities, our people, our culture, and our health. Welcome to the show, Gary.

Thank you, Bobby. I appreciate that introduction. I've had some good mentors in my life,

including you. I appreciate it. That's very, very high praise. So, you know, I wanted you to come

on just to talk about what's happening with the Colorado River. Colorado River water, millions

and millions of people drink that in the western states. Colorado River is now in crisis. It's

trying up, as you know, as you know, I'm on the IMAX film with Wade Davis in 2008 about the Colorado

River, and we took Dory's down the river. It was really an amazing trip. It's been seen. I filmed

this one, it's seen by 25 million people, but it was a contrast to me because I ran the river,

I think the first time in 1964 with my dad, and at that time, they were just completing,

I think, the Glen Canyon Dam. So, the river was still a wild river. It hadn't become a plumbing

fish for yet, and the water was, it was warm, it was dirty, which is how it was supposed to be.

There were seven species of native fish, the endemic, that of a whole virtually disappeared.

There were wide sandy beaches where you could camp almost anywhere, and that also has

dramatically changed, and the river was full of water. Nobody was worrying about, you know,

the Colorado River drying up. The Colorado, as you know, is supposed to empty out into the Sea

of Cortez between California and the mainland of Mexico, and there are many, many animals

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