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Welcome to this week's After Show. I am joined by Bob Mata, the host of the Defense

Diaries. I thought a conversation with Bob would be a great follow-up because for

season two of Defense Diaries, Bob and his producer, Darren, are putting together

an entire season about the most difficult case Bob has ever tried as a criminal defense

attorney. He tried the case alongside his father and his wife, Allison, who you will hear

him mention in the interview. Coming on the heels of talking about Tom Kapano being

a difficult defense client, obviously I know Bob's story so it immediately popped into

my head.

I hope you enjoy the After Show. Go subscribe to Defense Diaries wherever you are listening

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Bob, do you want to go ahead and introduce yourself and your show?

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