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When I knew I was going to cover the Claudia Lawrence disappearance, I decided it would be a good one to have someone come on and do an after show with me,

chat about the case and some of the issues around it and I saw that jewels from Riddle Me That and the path when Chilli had covered this case on her podcast

and being that she's a friend of mine and I'm always looking for an excuse to have my friends on my podcast.

It seems like a good opportunity for us. We talk about the gendered nature of the reporting as well as talk a little bit about how we approach cases

when the victim isn't the perfectly cast date line victim who lights up a room. So I hope you enjoy the show.

So I want to thank you, jewels for coming on here, taking some time out of your day to discuss this case with me.

So do you want to introduce yourself and your podcast to my audience?

Hi, my name is Jewels and I have two different podcasts.

The first one is Riddle Me That True Crime in which I cover primarily cold cases and I have a guest come on and either I sell them a boat of case or they tell me about a case,

usually one that they previously covered on their show and then we kind of dissect that.

And then my other show is the path when Chilli, which is kind of an offshoot of Robin Warters, the trail went cold, robin myself and Dr. Ashley Wellman,

who's a criminologist discuss cases that Robin is already covered on the trail went cold.

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