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You want to tell me about the first after school special you ever saw?

The first after school special I ever saw in spirit.

I don't think was an after school special, but I remember when I was about 13 watching a lifetime movie

called 15 and pregnant, starring Kirsten Dunst, which I think I was being in the spirit of the after school special

because I really, I loved lifetime movies when I was a kid, which were often old TV movies that had made their way onto lifetime in the late 90s.

And they also had a lot of Tory spelling movies that were sort of about issues like Coed Call Girl was about the issue of being a Coed Call Girl.

But I don't know if I've ever seen an actual after school special.

I think what I think of more is the broad category of TV movies or network specials about issues that were very ham handed about that.

I think of as being a big thing in the 80s and early 90s and then sort of fading away.

I remember seeing a Chad Lowe movie I think from 1984 where he commits suicide and nobody knows why and they kind of don't figure it out.

That might be an after school special actually.

So this is what I'm curious about. Did the after school special start this trend of the teen issue film or was,

because it feels like we don't see that now, but that there was a period when that was really everywhere.

What's interesting to me about this is that's kind of what we remember is this moralistic tone.

And there are two different versions of the history of the after school special.

There's the hageographic aw-shocks how wonderful it is history.

And then there's like the super cynical corporate history.

So the aw-shocks history is that at the time the after school special began with ABC after school special in 1972,

which ran until 1997, which is pretty incredible 25 years.

And it was at a time when TV was sort of not really new but sort of going through its kind of adolescence.

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