Welcome to the Wally Show Aftercastle, the things we did not get to during the course of the show today.

In just a few minutes, we're going to have to get out of here to go interview one, Mr. Ben Fuller.

I hear he has a really interesting story about how he came to faith and so I'm excited about talking to him. He's a guy that just like when you meet him he just kind of radiates Jesus and I know I'm not always the best at that. You know and it's like you see...

That's okay.

Yeah, I mean you see it because it takes all kinds because sometimes when someone's like you're like how you doing he's like God is good

you know and like for him it's genuine but for some people that stuff comes off is like oh I don't want to be your friend you know and so I think we need both people but for people like me that are a little bit more reserved with it, when you see someone like

that or someone like Mandisa, you know, it's like, oh, that's cool, that's something to aspire

more towards.

Although Mandisa, like she had some really silent struggles too.

And so then how much of that are you like, was that was it masking, you know, what was really going

on and I'm not speaking out of school, she's actually talked about it, you know, dealing with like suicidal thoughts and things like that.

But I, so that's, I mean that's my problem is like sometimes I see people that are so happy, I question them. It's like I

I question them. I want to be like them, but then I question what's really going on, you know?

And do you do that rock at all?

Do you?

No, I do. I do.

Especially too, as you get jaded with you see people falling off the

ladder you know and they've been put up on this pedestal and you're like oh

them and God are like best of friends and then something happens but ultimately what it comes

down to is men are never supposed to be up on a pedestal because we are all

broken yeah I have people all the time that are like they get so disillusioned

when somebody falls that they liked or followed you know like for example I went

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