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After They Testified: The Rabbi Leading an Interfaith Fight for Trans Rights

What Next | Daily News and Analysis

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🗓️ 15 June 2023

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

Red-state resident, religious, and proud of his trans son, a Missouri rabbi has testified more times than he can count in front of the state government over the years, and is both dispirited and confused by the changes he’s seeing in his state lawmakers—from attitudes towards anti-Semitism, to the disappearance of business-focused Republicans who care if anti-trans legislation is going to cost the state millions. 


This is the third installment in What Next’s Pride Month series. “After They Testified” is about the Americans who’ve shown up in the last year to speak out against anti-queer legislation, how it felt to do so, and what came next.


Guest: Rabbi Daniel Bogard, from Central Reform Congregation in St. Louis, Missouri.


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Podcast production by Elena Schwartz, Madeline Ducharme, Anna Phillips, Paige Osburn, and Rob Gunther.


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0:00.0

Rabbi Daniel Bogard cuts a distinctive figure when he walks into the Missouri State legislature.

0:13.4

He's usually wearing a Yamaha, and he's always got something to say.

0:17.4

He's testified in favor of gun control, abortion rights.

0:21.2

The next witness in opposition, please come forward.

0:24.1

But over the last couple of years, the Rabbi's primary focus has been trying to block

0:28.9

legislation targeting trans kids.

0:31.9

Thank you all for being here late.

0:34.3

My name is Daniel Bogard.

0:35.8

I'm a proud third generation, Missouri, and I'm the father of a big audience.

0:39.2

This is important to Rabbi Daniel, because one of his three kids is trans.

0:45.5

As I just said, I'm a Rabbi, and spent a lot of time with the Bible, so you can imagine

0:50.1

what it was like three years ago when my then four-year-old came to me in tears at night.

0:57.4

And to daddy, do you think God could make me over again as a boy?

1:06.0

When you're testifying this much, does your testimony change?

1:09.4

Are you getting up and saying the same thing every time?

1:12.0

Oh, yeah, I change my testimony every time.

1:14.7

Every time I sit there the night before and pull out my hair and try to figure out what

1:18.0

are the magic words that'll get my government just to leave my kid alone and leave my family

1:22.4

alone.

1:24.2

Sometimes he'll bring one of his children to speak alongside him.

1:28.0

I have a child brother that I'm really proud of, and if I play sports, I would want to

1:34.6

have a team with everybody including trans kids.

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