All right. Welcome to after the show for episode 155 Danny and Donna Freiman.

Daniel, what did you think of my case?

It was shocking. It was shocking.

It was shocking.

How does one go from just, you know, starting out life with nothing, just basic stuff to, I think I want to start designing clocks and then turn it into a business and then with your wife and doing

really well to allegedly just becoming kind of a drug addict and snapping and it's just crazy.

Yeah, and changing so significantly after 16 years of marriage. And some people said 20 years of marriage, but they had been together

for two decades. And to change so dramatically within a year, that is what just flabbergasted me.

So something happened in his head.

I was trying to think about this, that he was good, he was good, he was good, he was good, he was good, until something was too much.

Or he got in too much, like he was just overwhelmed.

Yeah.

And then he turned to, like you were saying, start dressing differently and tattoos and piercings and drugs. And it's almost like we've talked about this a little bit that if you try to hold back too much, at some point you might kind of snap and try and relive all of your

party days at a later time in life you know I'm getting at right yeah and we've we've talked

about that like if you live a very very conservative life let's say you're a kid and you're just

kept I mean I did obviously and and but let's say you're really really sheltered and then all

of a sudden I don't know whatever something happens and you're like ah and you just go out and

you almost go too far mm-hmm and you're just partying and drugs and alcohol and you just kind of snap.

Like there has to be a happy medium.

Yeah.

I'm not saying that, well, everyone should do their share drugs and alcohol in school.

I'm not saying that at all.

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