Hello and welcome to After the Show for episode 145, Ricky and Pamela Ballin.

Daniel, what did you think of my case?

Had a lot of twists and turns.

It did.

I was kind of expecting you to throw a curve at the curb, curve at the end.

Even more of a curve?

And say, and she was found not guilty because of whatever, you know, because there

wasn't enough evidence.

And it's like, oh, and now she's out the end.

Well, and I was expecting that too.

So when I'm reading through all the information and she's found guilty twice.

Right.

Like, holy moly, what did the jury see that we are not seeing?

Well, I mean, it's a pattern.

So I'm waiting for you to say if she's found guilty or whatever.

And then they appeal it, new trial, and she's found not guilty because of whatever.

Now she's out.

I have, I still have questions. I think the biggest issue... And she's found not guilty because of whatever. Now she's out.

I still have questions.

I think the biggest issue I have is that let's assume the defense is all right.

Which we know is not usually the case.

But whatever.

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