Hello and welcome to after the show for episode 137, Doug and Ashley Benefield.

Daniel, what did you think of my case?

I'm just sitting over here, just chomping at the bit to put a foot in my mouth.

Daniel, you got to be careful what you say, because it might be taken the wrong way.

Because I know where your heart is.

I know you.

And I don't want you to come off as somebody who, you know, blames.

Glorifies abusive men and hates innocent women. Let's just say it. Okay, that or blames victims.

I just know who you are, so I never want you to come off as something that you're not.

Because I would not be with you if I believed that.

So the issue at hand is we have to establish if and when and how there is a victim and an abuser and or a whatever, right?

Yes.

So that's what people are still trying to figure out.

Yeah.

So that's the kicker here.

That's why this case is so prominent.

All right.

So one thing I wanted to say that I have a lot. I actually don't have anything to say about Ashley or Doug.

Mm.

Because they are who they are. And they've always been the way they are.

Absolutely.

They're both toxic people. Toxic people tend to choose other toxic people.

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