Your eyes on the times you walk ready to speak up.

But with so many problems, you're exhausted trying to keep up.

This is the church politics podcast where you can get political commentary from a biblical

worldview.

We're not trying to be conservative or progressive.

We're trying to be Christian in the public square.

And I'm black as heaven.

I'm made in God's image.

Nobody can change my sentence.

Amen, cut off my knees and put it into my search.

It's easy to sell your soul and you don't know what it's worth.

With you no good, Ann Camp, you're listening to the Ann Campaign's church politics podcast with Justin Gibney, aka Bishop Cooper's grandson.

And I have a surprise for you.

The Windy City Representative, the Baddest Brother above the Mason Dixon line, my play cousin, the right Reverend Christopher Butler, came to visit us. And we told you he was going to come and be a guest

on the show, but he is back because we couldn't talk about this. I mean, we went through the whole

year talking about this. And so we got to end it, you know, right after this election. We got to

talk about this. Chris, what is going on with you, man? Oh, everything. It is so good to be with you on the podcast for

this very, very exciting conversation. Yeah, man, I'm excited about the conversation. It's been

the crazy. I mean, we're both tired. We've both been up way too long, stayed up watching it way too

long. But before we get into all the things that we got to talk about, tell me about your

new people. I know. Tell the people about your new position, man. Yeah. So it's official. I'm the

director of Christian civic formation for the Center for Christianity and Public Life. So I'll be working

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