Welcome to the Eurointelligence podcast. I'm Wolfgang Munchau and with me, Azazana Monsenk, and Jack Smith. This morning we want to talk about Russia. Prego Sheen's coup, excited for about 24 hours. It failed. Jack, what do you make of it?

The first thing I think is, like, we have to sort out as kind of what is or isn't a coup

and what is the point of this sort of thing.

So various people have called it a coup, a mutiny, you could call it an insurrection,

whatever it is.

I think it's worth sorting out firstly what Prigogine's intention was or what we at least

can kind of try to piece together as an intention.

I think when we kind of think about the coup, typically, we think about somebody trying to

like overthrow a government.

So this would be the numerous coups that have taken place in Turkey.

It would be the coups that have taken place also recently in Thailand as well,

Mali, you know, the military comes in, they get rid of whichever government is in place.

They set up, I don't know, the Council for National Protection or whatever, they take control

of the TV and radio stations,

and they broadcast their message out. The military takes control of key points. There's martial

law while the junta tries to sort out what the government is going to look like next,

or in some cases the junta just doesn't sort that out and becomes the government. That's kind of,

I think, what many of us have a mind when we think about this sort of thing. Personally, I think that Pridigin was trying to do something

different from that. I don't think that he was actually trying to overthrow Putin. I think that what he

was doing was pretty much what he said he was trying to do. He was expressing grievances with Russia's

military leadership. It was part of a

factional dispute between him and Sertegu Shogu, the defense minister and Valeri Karasimov,

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