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In this episode, we discuss how power in Russia really works, whether Putin is on the way out.

We're joined by journalists and writer Catherine Belton, whose award-winning book Putin's People, how the KGB took back Russia,

and then took on the West, explores the rise of the Russian President in the late 1990s.

We're also joined by Edward Lucas, National Security Expert, and columnist for the Times, and Shasha and Joshi, defense editor for the economist newspaper.

Let's join the conversation now.

Some of Russia's highest-ranking generals have not been seen in public since the mutiny by vagna mercenaries last week.

Under details about the Wagner group revolved in Russia.

A senior US official tells ABC News the leader of the rebellion, you've getting a progrosion.

Talk to top Russian military officers and other leaders in Moscow before the mutiny possibly seeking their help in that uprising.

Progrosion's short-lived mutiny raises some serious questions about the strength of Vladimir Putin's regime, stability in Russia, and the future of its war in Ukraine.

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