After Johnson
The LRB Podcast
London Review of Books
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🗓️ 12 July 2022
⏱️ 50 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | You're listening to the London Review of Books podcast. I'm Thomas Jones, and I'm talking today to my colleague James Butler, a contributing editor at the LRV, who has a piece in the new issue responding to Boris Johnson's resignation as leader of the Conservative Party, |
| 0:21.7 | though he'll continue as Prime Minister until September. |
| 0:24.7 | An early version of the piece appeared on the LRB blog last Wednesday. |
| 0:28.1 | Hello, James, and thank you for joining me. |
| 0:29.9 | Hi, it's a pleasure. |
| 0:31.1 | So not so long ago, Boris Johnson was talking about a third term, a decade in power. |
| 0:36.5 | He'd survived scandal after scandal. |
| 0:38.6 | It didn't matter that he'd said let the bodies pile high when hundreds of people |
| 0:42.0 | a day were dying of COVID. |
| 0:43.3 | It didn't matter that he was going to parties in Downing Street. |
| 0:45.8 | Well, most people weren't allowed to go to funerals. |
| 0:48.8 | So what changed in the last few weeks? |
| 0:51.5 | Well, I mean, the longer term kind of question with this stuff is things really changed with |
| 0:58.7 | the Partygate reports. |
| 1:00.8 | And I think it had become very clear to people within the Conservative Party that this was |
| 1:05.9 | starting to look like an electoral liability for them. |
| 1:09.0 | So when they held, if you recall, they held an initial confidence vote within the party, |
| 1:14.5 | which Johnson won quite handsomely just a few weeks ago. |
| 1:19.0 | And, you know, the unspoken consensus within the party at that time was, you know, |
| 1:22.9 | now he has to turn it around, he has to behave differently, he has to take seriously. Sorry, I'm laughing |
| 1:29.8 | because of course this was a completely ludicrous thing for anyone to believe would happen. But I think |
| 1:35.8 | what has become clear in the intervening period was very much that there had been cut through |
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