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This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

After Iran, A New Age of Terror?

This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

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News, Society & Culture, Politics

4.91.6K Ratings

🗓️ 2 April 2026

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

America’s war on Iran has triggered deadly consequences across the Middle East, with attacks on oil supplies causing a global economic shock. Now, as authorities investigate terror-related violence and sabotage in the US and Europe, are we headed for a new era of terror similar to what followed America’s wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? And in a world critically dependent on digital infrastructure, how safe are we from the threat of online sabotage? Gavin Esler finds out from Graig Klein, Assistant Professor of terrorism and political violence at the University of Leiden, and Dr Nikita Shah, senior fellow on the Intelligence, National Security and Technology programme at the Centre for Strategic and International Studies. • Advertisers! Want to reach smart, engaged, influential people? Some 3.5 MILLION people download and watch our podcasts every month – and they love our shows. Why not get YOUR brand in front of our influential listeners with podcast advertising? Contact ads@podmasters.co.uk to find out more. • Support us on Patreon to keep This Is Not A Drill producing thought-provoking podcasts like this. Written and presented by Gavin Esler. Produced by Robin Leeburn. Original theme music by Paul Hartnoll – https://www.orbitalofficial.com. Executive Producer Martin Bojtos. Managing Editor Jacob Jarvis. Group Editor Andrew Harrison. This Is Not A Drill is a Podmasters production. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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1970s in an American book on the failed U.S. commitment to the long war in

1:12.3

Vietnam. More recently, in the 21st century, the phrase is used to sum up the failure of

1:17.7

American-led alliances engaged yet again in long-term but unsuccessful occupations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

1:25.8

The United States and its allies, including the United Kingdom,

1:28.8

had massively superior firepower in both countries, but were undermined by asymmetric warfare.

1:35.7

Acts of terrorism, including suicide bombings from what, in the jargon, are sometimes called

1:40.7

non-state actors, Shia militias, al-Qaeda, Islamic State and other organizations.

1:47.9

Even if the Iran war were to end tomorrow or next week or next month, national security strategists

1:54.6

are already concerned that we could face a new wave of asymmetric warfare, terrorism, cyberattacks,

2:00.6

and the hacking of vital infrastructure

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