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🗓️ 4 September 2025
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How El Salvador’s president transformed the “Murder Capital of the World” into the safest country in the Western hemisphere— and became the most popular leader on the planet.
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| 0:00.0 | Hi everybody. Cheryl Ackison here. Welcome to another edition of Full Measure After Hours. |
| 0:10.6 | Today, a report from El Salvador on how the most popular president in the world, when measured by domestic approval, got a grip on crime in the murder capital of the world |
| 0:22.2 | and what we might learn from it. For about a decade on my TV program full measure, |
| 0:30.9 | I've been covering the global populist movement marked by the election of leaders who are |
| 0:36.1 | disdained by the political establishment on both the left |
| 0:39.3 | and the right. Nowhere perhaps has this movement had a more dramatic impact than in the small |
| 0:45.2 | Central American nation of El Salvador with the election of President Nayyb Buckele, then the youngest |
| 0:52.4 | elected president in the Western Hemisphere. |
| 0:55.9 | Bucali has led his country through a really stunning transformation under his popular |
| 1:00.4 | tough-on-crime policies, and other nations are definitely taking note. |
| 1:05.8 | As it happens, shortly after I returned from El Salvador, investigating their tough-on-crime approach and the results, |
| 1:13.0 | President Trump did something that felt very similar when he took control of Washington, D.C. |
| 1:18.3 | and put National Guard troops on the street. And like the example of Washington, El Salvador also |
| 1:24.8 | saw dramatic results, as you will hear. |
| 1:28.1 | This is my cover story on Full Measure as we debut our season 11, Sunday, September 7th, as I report from El Salvador. |
| 1:37.9 | And in today's podcast, you're going to hear my interview with El Salvador's defense minister, |
| 1:43.3 | the head of the military, Renee Marino-Munroy. |
| 1:46.8 | First, a little bit of important background. El Salvador historically has been plagued by |
| 1:52.3 | civil war, followed by brutal gang control by MS-13 and other gangs for decades. In 2019, |
| 2:04.1 | Salvadorans took the step to reclaim their country by electing 37-year-old Nyabukali as president. He took the lead in a movement that arrested |
| 2:11.3 | 87,000 suspected gang members and other criminals. Now, this is a country about the size of Massachusetts, |
| 2:19.5 | arresting 87,000 people. And as part of this, soldiers deployed alongside police, and still they |
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