Hi, everybody. Cheryl Atkinson here. Welcome to another edition of Full Measure After Hours.

Today, Congressman Thomas Massey, a Republican from Kentucky, says the quiet part out loud. It's put him at odds not only with Democrats, but also at times with his fellow Republicans and President Trump.

Today in this podcast, he's calling out the swamp, out of control Washington, D.C. spending, the corrupt political fundraising system, drug ads on TV, and a lot more.

I love it when sitting members of Congress come on full measure and give candid interviews

not only about what they think maybe is wrong about the opposing party, but also about what's

going on inside their own political parties.

I know you're going to find today's interview with Congressman Thomas Massey really fascinating.

It's the topic of my cover story on Sunday, May 18th, but also in this podcast, the whole interview.

Masky is a fiscal hawk and an MIT educated engineer.

His record in Congress, I guess you could say say is sort of a highlight reel of loan descent.

He calls the proposed Republican budget a suicide pact to spend us into oblivion.

In 2020, he infuriated both parties by forcing lawmakers back to Washington, D.C.

This is at the height of COVID, for an in-person vote by name on a $2.2 trillion

COVID relief bill, a bill that he criticized as fiscally reckless. In 2022, he was the only

House member to reject a resolution against anti-Semitism. He argued that it threatened free speech. And he's continued

taking solo stances this year, sometimes putting him at odds with President Trump, who he has

supported for election both times. Here's my interview with Congressman Thomas Massey.

When you talk about you're sort of a lone guy on some issues, in really simple terms

for people who don't understand the intricacies of how the budget works and how the stuff

gets past, can you explain how you are sort of standing alone on certain issues and why?

Well, I've stood alone three times so far in three months. I was the only dissenting Republican on making Mike Johnson the speaker.

I was the only dissenting Republican on our budget, which is also known as the framework for

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