If you want to revel in the wonder of the natural world, while still asking tough questions about our place in that world, I'd like to tell you about another podcast you might enjoy.

It's called Outside In. Hosted by Sam Evans Brown, Outside In tackles a broad range of subjects, from the environmental movement's

troubling links to the eugenics movement, to the fraught history between hydropower development

and indigenous rights in Canada. Outside In tries to capture the joy that attracts so many of us

to the outdoors in the first place.

The show has taken listeners under the ice of frozen lakes, to peat bogs in the Arctic,

and up close to patches of moss in your own backyard.

Outside In features deeply investigated stories and the deliberately goofy. It makes you think and

makes you laugh. You can find Outside In in your favorite podcast app and at outsideinradio.org.

Hi, I'm Willow Belden and you're listening to Out There, the podcast that explores big questions through intimate stories outdoors.

The story you're going to hear today is about alcohol addiction and rock climbing and about

the difficult road you face after getting sober, the road to redefining yourself once you've

lost the thing you loved most.

The story first aired in 2016, but since many of you are new to out there, I wanted to share it with you again.

And if you did hear it four years ago, it's worth another listen.

I woke up in a jail cell again. I'd been in a bunch of jails at this point, just

like getting arrested for things, waking up, and you're like, where am I? And oh, here's where I am

again.

That's Brendan Leonard. He's a writer based in Montana, and he wrote a book called 60

Meeters to Anywhere. And this experience he just described, where he ended up in jail,

happened because he'd gotten a DUI. It wasn't the first time he'd been arrested for drunk driving.

It wasn't even the first time he'd been to jail for drunk driving.

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