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I came to the conscious understanding that I am just a pilot and a human vessel receiving

my information from a higher source of consciousness that we can't perceive as humans.

So when I figured that out, I was like, okay, then that means then this thing can travel.

Like I can go in and out of this vessel because I go other places in my sleep.

I go, I've had multiple NDE's as well and I've been other places.

I had, like I said, my OBE.

I'm like, okay, so you can get out of this and you can do it safely, as long as you accept the fact that you're a source of consciousness, you're not actually this.

Yeah, that, that, that, that, that makes a lot of sense.

I think that that was something and this might be a weird way to reply to that comment, but that reminds me very much of an experience

that I had had during that time in which we were actively astral projecting. And I believe that

I was taken to a place in which I got to watch the creation of planets or the formation of

planets or what we would even call realms and it was very much

it's almost like a station or a place and there was this large cross section in which they would

sort of pour elements and kind of energies into this molten mass and they would form it around it

and there's a bunch of other stuff that you know know, I could go on and on about it.

But getting to what you were talking about with, you know, maybe I'm taking this in a really bizarre direction,

but what they would do at a certain stage of completion of these planetary spheres, what they was,

it was that they would begin to seed it with sparks of light.

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