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Yeah, and I just want to commend you because like I was saying before, like Spin and I

watch both shows and our son watches them, and we've had like even the ones on mainstream

cable here, your process at the beginning of your interview is so respectful to the spirits.

I love your interaction with the energy, the environment, and the way you walk through

and explain it not only to the viewers and the audience, like the audience, but it feels as though

you're interacting with the energies or the

beings themselves before you even get started like this is my reason for being here this is

well you actually set intention and we'll get on that but like i love that you go through now what

brought you to want to further explain because you're doing something that I haven't seen in another show where you're breaking

it down for the audience.

You're walking us through.

You're actually daylighting your environment first and showing us like, hey, this is what

this is.

Don't mistake this for this.

You're debunking everything before it ever could even

happen. What brought you to this process and how did you get it so refined so quickly?

Well, I've been doing it for four years specifically, four years, and I was like 16 when I left

school and I'm 20 now, but for the first three, well, I say two or three years, I wasn't really

doing it properly. I was with people who I left school with who wasn't doing it right. They

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