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The Good Fight

After Affirmative Action

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

News

4.6907 Ratings

🗓️ 15 July 2023

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

Peter Arcidiacono is an economist at Duke University and an expert on affirmative action. Arcidiacono served as an expert witness for Students for Fair Admissions, Inc. (SFFA) in SFFA v. Harvard. In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Peter Arcidiacono discuss the role that racial preferences have played in the admissions processes of elite American universities in recent decades; the workarounds that universities are likely to use in the wake of the recent Supreme Court decision; and why real progress for less privileged students will require fundamental changes that look beyond the admissions practices of a few elite universities. This transcript has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity. Please do listen and spread the word about The Good Fight. If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following this link on your phone. Email: [email protected] Website: http://www.persuasion.community Podcast production by John Taylor Williams, and Brendan Ruberry Connect with us! Spotify | Apple | Google Twitter: @Yascha_Mounk & @joinpersuasion Youtube: Yascha Mounk LinkedIn: Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

To me the best argument for affirmative action is trying to rebuild trust in society.

0:06.3

You know that fundamentally I actually think things are not so bad, but because people believe that they're so bad, it ends up having really negative

0:16.2

consequences.

0:17.2

Affirmative action is a great example of that.

0:19.1

I think whites believe affirmative action is much more aggressive than it is and African Americans believe

0:24.0

it's much less aggressive than it is and that fits in with you know sort of

0:27.7

how you see how racist society is. And now the good fight with Yasha Monk.

0:37.0

After the great recession, thinking about economics underwent something like the great disappointment.

0:49.0

For most of American history, most Americans thought that things were getting better, that most people were increasing the living standards from one generation to the next.

1:00.0

And by and large, that optimism was born out.

1:05.0

But when incomes for a lot of Americans started to stagnate in the 80s and 90s and 2000s,

1:11.0

when the Great Recession led to massive unemployment, the intellectual

1:16.2

foundations of a great disappointment started to take hold. There were three primary intellectual foundations of it. The first was that, as David

1:29.6

Auteur argued in 2010, the American job market seemed to be polarizing with high-skill

1:38.2

white-collar workers doing very well, but a lot of middle class jobs being lost and therefore inequality rising significantly.

1:50.5

The second part of this was Bronco Melana, which showed that globalization was having very mixed impact on different parts of the global income distribution.

2:06.6

At the bottom end, globalization wasn't doing very much.

2:10.5

For a lot of the lower middle and and middle there were significant gains for the 70th 80th percentile

2:17.3

of the global income distribution which included a lot of manufacturing workers in Michigan and other lower middle class jobs in

2:26.2

the industrialized West.

2:28.3

There really weren't any improvements, but then as you got towards the super rich, the impact of globalization

2:38.6

allowed them to become much, much richer. The third piece of the global disappointment was of course based in the work of

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