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🗓️ 4 September 2025
⏱️ 58 minutes
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It has been four days since the huge 6.0 magnitude earthquake struck the mountainous eastern region of Afghanistan, near the city of Jalalabad. Over 1,400 people are reported to have been killed by the initial quake and its aftershocks, with over 3,000 injured. While already living their lives under the restrictions imposed by the Taliban, how are women and girls affected by this disaster? Nuala McGovern talks to Mahjooba Nowrouzi, senior journalist for the BBC’s Afghan Service.
After the fall of the Taliban in 2001, Afghan women judges set out to reform the country, tackling corruption and presiding over cases such as violence against women and children. When Western forces withdrew four years ago, these judges were targeted by the Taliban and many fled Afghanistan. In her new book, The Escape from Kabul, the journalist Karen Bartlett tells the story of some of those women and how international judges from around the world banded together to help them escape. Karen joins Nuala along with Fawzia Amini, one of Afghanistan’s leading judges and women’s rights campaigners, who came to Britain with her husband and four daughters after the Taliban returned.
Is navigating friendships and the pressure not to be too demanding making women lonely? Journalist Chante Joseph talks to Nuala about how adopting the role of a “low maintenance friend,” once a source of pride, ultimately left her feeling isolated along with the journalist Claire Cohen.
Two councils in South Yorkshire are introducing new policies to make night-time venues safer for women. In Sheffield, there will be a Women's Safety Charter, while in Rotherham, councillors are set to approve a new programme to tackle harassment and drink spiking. So how big a problem is the harassment and what is being done? Nuala is joined by Rob Reiss, a Sheffield city councillor and Kayleigh Waine project manager of Sheffield Safe Square and manager of Katie O’Brien's an Irish Bar in Sheffield City Centre.
The play ‘Invasive Species’ is about a young woman attempting, for the sake of ambition and survival, to force herself into various moulds that do not fit who she truly is. Nuala talks to Maia Novi who stars in the London transfer of her own semi-autobiographical dark comedy in which she plays herself, an ambitious Argentinean actor who will stop at nothing to achieve the American dream. She joins Nuala to talk about the themes of the play.
Presenter: Nuala McGovern Producer: Rebecca Myatt
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| 0:00.0 | I'm Rory Stewart and I grew up wanting to be a hero and I'm still fascinated by the ideas of heroism. |
| 0:09.0 | In my new series, I'm taking in the long sweep of history from Achilles to Zelensky and asking, what is a hero? |
| 0:16.0 | Simply doing your job, being a decent human being. |
| 0:20.0 | A true hero is someone who just kind of shines |
| 0:22.9 | by their own light and that light just to be recognised by others. The long history of heroism |
| 0:27.8 | with me, Rory Stewart. Listen on BBC Sounds. Hello, this is Nula McGovern and you're listening |
| 0:34.4 | to the Woman's Hour podcast. Hello and welcome to the program. Well, |
| 0:38.6 | in a moment, an update on the Afghan earthquake and how women and girls are expected to be among |
| 0:44.4 | the most effective. And we're also going to hear the gripping stories of the Afghan female judges |
| 0:50.9 | who escaped when the Taliban came to power. They're told in a new book, The Escape from Kabul. |
| 0:57.0 | Also today, Shante Joseph thought being the low-maintenance friend would set her free. |
| 1:02.6 | So, not asking for much and expecting little. |
| 1:05.8 | But instead, it made her lonelier than ever. |
| 1:08.9 | Now, Shanty asks friends for more things, |
| 1:11.6 | also makes demands on friends' times. |
| 1:14.3 | And I'm wondering, is that something you feel comfortable doing? |
| 1:18.3 | Is there any anxiety around your friendships, |
| 1:21.4 | particularly if you want more? |
| 1:24.0 | More of their time, more things to do with them? |
| 1:27.3 | Let me know. Claire Cohen will also be here. |
| 1:30.1 | She's navigating the change of balance that can come in friendships now that she has become a new mum. |
| 1:36.0 | You can text the program. The number is 84844. Text charged at your standard message rate. |
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