Afghanistan and the fall of US power
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Owen Jones
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🗓️ 26 August 2021
⏱️ 60 minutes
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Summary
As the Taliban sweep across Afghanistan - what next for the future of this war-torn nation, and what are the implications for US power?
We're joined live from Kabul by the lecturer Obaidullah Baheer, and Prof. Paul Rogers, professor of peace studies.
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| 0:00.0 | Hello everyone, welcome live to the show. I'm not actually in London, I'm actually currently |
| 0:12.8 | in Sheffield where I was born, a plastic Yorkshire man, but good to be back in my home domestic |
| 0:21.0 | happy environment. But it's great to be able to talk to you today about a very, very, |
| 0:25.2 | very important issue, of course, which is the future of Afghanistan, which has now fallen, |
| 0:29.9 | of course, to the Taliban. Now, we've got two absolutely fantastic guests today, including |
| 0:37.2 | someone who is live, of course, incapable and will talk us through the developments on the |
| 0:43.0 | ground, what's actually happening, and the situation that faces Afghanistan. And we're |
| 0:48.0 | going to be talking about the broader context. What this means for the US Hegeman, which |
| 0:52.9 | of course, has been the Hegemonic power since World War II after the defeat that they suffered |
| 0:59.6 | in Afghanistan. And of course, about the British parliamentary debate, I wrote a column |
| 1:03.8 | this week for the Guardian, about how divorced from reality, much of those parliamentary |
| 1:08.8 | proceedings were, there was no attempt to, or very little attempt to place it in the context |
| 1:14.6 | of two decades now foreign intervention, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, and the broader so-called |
| 1:20.3 | war on terror, about the situation that specifically faced Britain in Afghanistan, Britain, essentially |
| 1:27.9 | themselves withdrew from Afghanistan, of course, many years before the Americans did back |
| 1:32.6 | in 2014, leaving only a skeleton force in their wake. None of that was present in the |
| 1:39.0 | debate. And instead, we had a former prime minister, Theresa May, being applauded for talking |
| 1:43.3 | about global Britain, about how global Britain somehow could have unilaterally acted in |
| 1:49.2 | Afghanistan, whether it be by somehow convincing Joe Biden to renege on his campaign promises |
| 1:55.8 | or somehow to go alone, as though Britain has had an independent foreign policy when it |
| 2:02.4 | hasn't since 1956 and the Suez crisis. We've got a lot to talk about today. Before I bring |
| 2:06.6 | in the guest, because we obviously going to hear from actual specialists rather than myself, |
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