Yeah, and I'm saying to the best student should be the winner gets into school.

I agree. So again, we go back to the beginning of this thing.

I said it's not racist and now I'm thinking maybe it could be.

Here is the latest installment of Change My Mind where we rationalize our positions on

controversial topics. In our last installment, I sat down with Tina to discuss affirmative action.

You can see that by clicking video here. And in this episode, we continue in that vein with

three more conversations, including one with a UT and Princeton professor of hip hop. Remember

to let me know what you think about affirmative action in the comments below. And more importantly,

what are your thoughts on these conversations that transpired here? All right, enough talk. Let's

get to our first conversation, Meet Ben. Ben is it? Yes. Stephen, nice to meet you, Ben. Do you mind

scooting in a little bit so I can not wait to separate my shoulder region now? So I don't know

how familiar you are if at all with what we do here with this program, especially taking

providing an opportunity to rationalize our positions on seemingly controversial topics.

Today is affirmative action. This was by request here at UT. I believe that affirmative action

is by definition racist. Not a fan. If you disagree with me, you're more than welcome to Change My Mind.

Well, I think we in a perfect world, I don't think it should exist, but we don't live in a perfect

world. We have marginalized these communities. We need help to bring them up, make them bring

them up to the middle class so that they can help the other members of their community bring them

up and so that we can eliminate this kind of poverty and quality that usually ties with race. So I

think affirmative action is a great way of helping get rid of that. Okay, so you said it's a great

way. So it sounds to me like you've said you believe that it's the right thing to do and you believe

it's an effective way. Yes. Why do you believe that it's been effective? Well, I mean, I think those

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