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Affirm's Max Levchin on Rates, Junk Fees, and the PayPal Mafia

At Barron's

At Barron's

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4.717 Ratings

🗓️ 21 September 2023

⏱️ 22 minutes

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Summary

The Affirm CEO talks about new ways consumers are using its buy now, pay later services.

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0:00.0

Hello everyone and welcome to At Barron's. I'm Andy Surwer and welcome to our guest, Max Leibchen,

0:07.3

co-founder and CEO of a firm. Max, great to see you. Great to be here. So why don't I start off by

0:13.4

asking you about a firm for those of us who don't know so much about it? It's now a, if I do say so myself, a nicely diminishing group of people.

0:23.3

So we are available on Amazon and at Walmart,

0:28.1

and every little story you've never heard of

0:30.2

that calls Shopify their merchant platform home.

0:33.4

We are visible at almost 65% of all e-commerce checkouts.

0:38.3

So the number of you who actually have no idea what this thing is is diminishing rapidly.

0:42.3

But what it is, it's a payment product, a way to check out that you can think of as an alternative to credit card.

0:50.3

If you are looking at a purchase that you'd rather pay for over time instead of a single payment right now,

0:56.0

you can click on the Affirm logo and we will instantly give you a handful of choices.

1:02.0

You can pay for it over a few weeks, over a few months.

1:05.0

It's always fixed term.

1:06.0

So the real difference between us and credit cards is credit cards.

1:09.0

The value proposition is just put it over here.

1:12.6

Pay for it as you see fit.

1:15.6

And if you don't pay too much attention, you'll probably pay a lot in fees and interest.

1:20.6

The antidote that is a firm is actually will tell you exactly what the payment plan has to be.

1:26.6

You'll be done paying off the couch or the bicycle or whatever it is you just purchased

1:31.1

in a very specific number of months.

1:33.7

There are no late fees.

1:34.8

There's no compounding.

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