AEWCH 302: FEDERICO CAMPAGNA on THE MAGICAL STRENGTH HIDDEN IN DEFEAT
Against Everyone with Conner Habib
Against Everyone With Conner Habib
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🗓️ 24 September 2025
⏱️ 94 minutes
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Summary
I'm so excited to welcome philosopher and author Federico Campagna back to the show! Together, we find the magic in defeat and the strength that it offers, using his new book, Otherworlds: Mediterranean Lessons on Escaping History as a springboard for our wide-ranging and empowering discussion.
Federico gives many potent examples of the hidden strength in defeat. Whether it’s through Egyptian gods or the writer Joseph Roth, esotericists or people who felt the mythic effects of being defeated by Alexander the Great. We witness again and again options that become available for seeing and creating new worlds only when - as Federico writes of the people in the book:
“Instead of clinging to the values of a vanishing world, or embracing the new rising power, they dared to migrate to the grand zero of the imagination where ideas and values can be extracted anew from the infinite virtuality of the possible.”
May this episode bring you strength and magic, even in the most unexpected of places and conditions!
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| 0:00.0 | Friends, depending on where you live, you might be well acquainted with the other world. |
| 0:07.3 | Here in Ireland, pretty much everyone knows it or has heard of it. |
| 0:11.8 | It's the place where fairies, the she, elemental beings, live and share with us. |
| 0:18.6 | It's a layer we live with. |
| 0:20.2 | It's always among us, but it's not present in the |
| 0:24.0 | visible, apparent way that we're used to. It is a literal expression of the dimension where these |
| 0:30.4 | different beings live in different but overlaid landscapes. So I just want to make that clear. |
| 0:37.0 | There's a real recognition of the |
| 0:39.7 | existence of this layer of reality here in Ireland, especially rural Ireland, and plenty of |
| 0:46.5 | other places in the world. The beings there, the substance, the constitutive forces there, will they make up the world we live in? |
| 0:58.0 | And whether there's the recognition, as I said, of it being real or of it being metaphorical |
| 1:05.4 | or maybe something in between, the notion is that it expresses power that can remake and even change the course |
| 1:16.3 | of the world. |
| 1:18.0 | Maybe it'll just intrude every once in a while in a scary, annoying, or fantastical way. |
| 1:24.3 | Our proximity to that other world and its forces and powers and substance, which is always near, |
| 1:30.5 | always present, gives us access to a kind of strength. Here's how novelist Arandati-Roy |
| 1:37.4 | talks about an other world in a political sense. She writes, another world is not only possible. She is on her way. Maybe many of us |
| 1:47.6 | won't be here to greet her, but on a quiet day, if I listen very carefully, I can hear |
| 1:53.6 | her breathing. Now, the concept of the other world is a world that is not only on the way, |
| 1:59.9 | but is already here. |
| 2:01.4 | It's always here. We don't need to wait. We only need to discover, rediscover, and create a pathway in. |
| 2:12.0 | That said, most of us only go looking for it out of urgent necessity. When we find ourselves in a world that |
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