Hello, friends. This is Against Everyone with Connor Habib. Hi. Before we start this episode with me and UFO and

religious study scholar, Diana Walsh Baselka, in conversation with media analyst and tech critic Doug Rushkoff,

which is a meeting I'm so happy to have arranged, by the way. I'm going to talk about tech a bit and the problems with tech

and how we may have something on our hands that is way beyond just who controls technology,

rather what tech itself is. Let's start with a quote from the psychoanalyst and philosopher and sexual liberationist,

Wilhelm Reich, who is a student of Freud's.

The nature of the trap has no interest whatsoever beyond this one crucial point.

Where is the exit out of the trap?

One can decorate a trap to make life more comfortable in it.

This is done by the Michelangelo's and the Shakespeare's and the Gertas.

One can event makeshift contraptions to secure longer life in the trap.

This is done by the great scientists and physicians, the Myers and the pastures and the Flemings.

One can devise great art in healing broken bones when one falls into the trap.

The crucial point still is and remains to find the exit out of the trap.

Where is the exit into the endless open space?

The exit remains hidden. It is the greatest riddle of all.

The most ridiculous as well as tragic thing is this. The exit is clearly visible to all trapped

in the hole, yet nobody seems to see it. Everybody knows where the exit is, yet nobody seems to

make a move toward it., more whoever moves toward the exit

or whoever points toward it is declared crazy or criminal or a sinner to burn in hell. It turns out

that the trouble is not with the trap, or even with finding the exit, the trouble is within the

trapped ones. Okay. And if you look at that quote, there's lots of all

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