Hello and welcome to Against Everyone with Connor Habib, Episode 200.

Friends, we've made it to 200 episodes of this show, so I wanted to do something special.

What makes Episode 200, A Witch, 200 different?

It's three episodes over two weeks featuring six conversations, and each

conversation has two previous guests of the show in conversation with me and each other.

These are people I've loved talking to. Most of them have been on the show more than once,

and now they're in conversation with someone

they might never have talked to in their life without this show bringing them together.

None of them knew each other before these episodes, and they're all in different disciplines.

On these episodes, I'm moving from the two, me and one other guest, to the three, me and two other guests.

The idea is a sort of conversational alchemy. What happens when people in different disciplines

speak with each other? What sort of new substance arises? So what happens when a theologian

talks with a chronicler of transhumanism,

or when a New Age scholar talks with an anarchist organizer, or an occult teacher talks with

a mystic comedian podcaster? Today's episode features a conversation with me talking with

mortician Caitlin Doty and paranormal

expert John E. L. Tenney about stigma.

When you think about the things that are difficult in your life and that you're working

on and we're learning so much about generational trauma now and things that stay in your

body like, you you know biologically

from previous generations and so when you're having when you're doing that kind of work and you're

talking to you're also sort of talking to a ghost when you're talking to like the younger

...