Welcome to the podcast Think Bivocally, Conversations on Faith and Culture.

I'm your host Sean McDowell, Professor of Christian Apologetics at Taubit School

theology, viola University. And I'm your co-host Scott Ray, Dean of Faculty and Professor of

Christian Ethics also at Talbot School of Theology, Biola University.

We're here with a special guest Dr. Ch Clark, who has been working with students for years.

Now he's a senior pastor, written a number of books, and I got a chance to read his book,

Adoptive Church, and have been looking forward to have him on for a long

time just talking about what would it mean to have a church that engages this emerging

generation but even just ask them some questions about what is going on with students and

with this new generation today so Dr Clark thanks for joining us.

Thank you to be with you too what a gift and I don't get called Dr Clark all that offer unless they want to if they want a grade change maybe that's when they pull out the title.

But I appreciate being with you guys thank you. Well, let me start off by asking you this.

In your book, Adoptive Church,

you say it's focused on reaching emerging generations.

You've worked with students for a long time.

What would you say are some distinctives

or characteristics that describe

what people have dubbed I-Gen or Gen-Z?

I kind of have a theory that emerged over many years, you know, you and your dad especially and a lot of folks helped me to think more deeply about the life that young people were growing up in and our culture. And I know you guys have done a lot of work with apologetics and that side of it.

I've looked more at the kind of the

sociology and the psychology of kids as they've grown up and through the decades, kind of my understanding of how life has worked for them is adults have been less

and less present over the years.

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