Hello, fellow law nerds. Welcome to a special episode of Boom Lawyred, a Rewire News

podcast hosted by the legal journalism team that needs a break from Sam Alito. I just would like a

break. I'm Rewire News Group's editor at large, Imani Gandhi. I'm Jess Piclo, Rewire News Group's executive

editor. Rewire News Group is the one and only home for expert reprojournalism that inspires you to

put Sam Alito in the corner. And the boom-layered podcast is part of that mission.

So a big thanks to our subscribers and a welcome to our new listeners.

So while we're waiting on the Supreme Court to probably ruin our summer,

Amani and I thought it would be a nice change of pace to bring a guest on to the podcast.

And we are thrilled today to welcome

Gretchen Sisson, a qualitative sociologist all around badass and friend of the pod who studies

abortion and adoption at advancing new standards in reproductive health, that's Anshur,

at the Department of Obstetrics, gynecology, and Reproductive Sciences at the

University of California, San Francisco. That's a mouthful, but well worth it.

It's so much. It's so much. But thank you for getting through that. Gretchen, we are thrilled

to have you join us. So excited. If folks don't know, Gretchen's book relinquish the politics of adoption and the privilege of

American motherhood is a must read, especially in our post row world. We link to it in the show

notes. And truly, if you have not already picked up a copy, go do it now. We'll give you a minute.

Come back to the show. No, truly. We're going to get into that.

I have a lot of questions. I know Amani does too about the book, about the zeitgeist.

I have thoughts on tradwives that I'm curious to ask you about in this particular moment as well.

So let's get into it. The first thing I want to talk about is this image of adoption that persists and that I think

the book really does a great job of sorting through and breaking down. And it's this idea that

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