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that keeps the lights on at arc media. Following last week's, let's say, controversial episode with Brett Stevens, today we have another special Inside Call Me Back guest, Jonathan Greenblatt, who runs the ADL, the Anti-Defamation League.

We have a lot of issues to get into with Jonathan that were partly sparked by Brett's speech, but just some other issues

more generally. Jonathan, welcome back to Call Me Back and welcome to the inside. Thank you for having me,

Dan. I'm a listener. I'm a subscriber. So it's really a pleasure to be on. Our favorite kind of guest.

All right. So as I mentioned in yesterday's Call Me Back episode, you and I have been talking this

week about you coming on to

respond to Brett's state of the world jury address. I don't want to make it just a response to it,

although that's sparked up a lot of conversations that I know you have views on as well.

But I just want to set the stage here in terms of how we wound up in this conversation today.

So our friend, our mutual friend,

Brett Stevens, is planning to deliver the state of world jury address a little over a week ago

at the 92nd Street, why? And you attend because he invites you. Correct. And during the speech,

he makes the case, and it wasn't the central part of his speech, but a point in his speech was

making the case against the priorities of institutional Jewish organizations in this moment,

and that he thinks too much time and effort and resources is being dedicated to fighting

anti-Semitism and that those resources in the time and the energy should be

would be better directed elsewhere. But he mentioned the ADL very specifically,

even mentioned you by name very specifically. He did. He did. I was just thinking,

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