Addiction with Hanna Pickard
Overthink
Ellie Anderson, Ph.D. and David Peña-Guzmán, Ph.D.
4.7 • 549 Ratings
🗓️ 24 February 2026
⏱️ 54 minutes
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Summary
To what extent is drug addiction voluntary? In episode 162 of Overthink, Ellie and David chat with philosopher Hanna Pickard about her book, What Would You Do Alone in a Cage with Nothing but Cocaine? A Philosophy of Addiction. They discuss how the “broken brain model” of addiction emerged to combat the moral model of addiction and explore the consequences of both of these models. What drives some people into addiction? What does it mean to say that addiction is a brain disease? How should responsibility and blame fit into our understanding of this condition? And how do we identify when somebody’s patterns of drug use have crossed the threshold into addiction? In the Substack bonus segment, your hosts think about the temporality of addiction and what it means to hold an “addict identity.”
Works Discussed:
Alan Leshner, “Addiction Is a Brain Disease, and It Matters”
Gabor Maté, In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts: Close Encounters with Addiction
Hanna Pickard, What Would You Do Alone in a Cage with Nothing but Cocaine? A Philosophy of Addiction
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| 0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to Overthink. |
| 0:19.2 | The podcast where two philosophy professors bring philosophy into dialogue with everyday life. |
| 0:24.5 | I'm David Pena Guzman. |
| 0:26.0 | And I'm Ellie Anderson. |
| 0:28.3 | Virtually all human cultures have used drugs in one way or another. |
| 0:33.4 | Opium poppies have been used in Britain and Europe since at least 5,500 BCE. |
| 0:39.8 | Alcohol production dates back all the way to 5,000 to 7,000 BCE. |
| 0:45.1 | And on some accounts, it's even older than that, all the way to 12,000 BCE. |
| 0:49.8 | You also have other drugs that have been used in ancient cultures. |
| 0:53.3 | This includes peyote, mescaline, a bunch of psychedelics and hallucinogens in places like Mexico, |
| 1:00.2 | Central and South America, as well as other places in the world. |
| 1:03.9 | So drugs have been with us for a very long time and in many, many places. |
| 1:09.0 | And that obviously continues into the present. Many of us use very |
| 1:14.0 | different kinds of drugs, sometimes regularly, sometimes infrequently. But I think it's fair to say |
| 1:20.3 | that drug use is a fundamental feature of human experience. I mean, I drink coffee every morning. |
| 1:27.4 | That's a drug. |
| 1:28.4 | We often tend to equate drugs with illicit drugs, some of which I do partake in |
| 1:33.1 | to occasionally, and I can say that now that I have tenure. |
| 1:36.3 | Plus, we have our intoxication and psychedelics episodes, which you can listen back to |
| 1:40.3 | if you want to hear a little bit about those. |
| 1:43.0 | But yeah, just simple coffee. What are, |
| 1:44.7 | what are your drugs of choice, David? From the licit ones, I would also include sugar. |
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