porn will not go away until using porn, consuming porn becomes unthinkable. Right. Right now we all know it's kind of bad, but it's not yet unthinkable.

When we see women for who they really are, that's when the needle moves and it gets recategorized in our minds to something horrible. And that's when we'll see a change.

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So it isn't every day when we're driving to the studio that my wife reads me something. Although she often wants to read the Bible out loud.

She's obsessed with reading it out loud.

Yes, I like to read it out loud together.

But you read it out loud. I'm like, no, I want to read it quietly to myself. But we're driving in the studio today. And she had just read Ray's book, Ray Ortlin is sitting in the studio with us.

We had read your book this past week. Anyway, by the way, let me say welcome back, Ray.

Oh, it's a privilege to be with you. Glad to have you back. I mean, you flew in from Nashville where you've passed it a church there for years. I mean, I don't remember how many grandkids?

14. That's crazy. They're wonderful. How many years married, by the way?

You know, it'll be 50 years. Yes, that's a big one. Yeah, what are you doing?

So we're flying in the whole family to Nashville to spend some time at the upper land.

That's fun. Yeah, we're going to have a blast.

Oh, that's going to be great. That's awesome. You didn't only pass your church. You've written, we joked on the last one that you wrote the USB Bible.

You were translating a translator. Yeah, exactly. Which is a pretty amazing honor.

Honor. It's a weighty responsibility. Yes, what you were translating is going to be read as the word of God.

That's heavy. But here's what happened. So we're right driving in here today and it goes, hey, let me read you what I was inspired by from reading your book, the death of porn.

And I said, okay, you know, what are you going to say to your wife when she said, I'm going to read you something.

And by the time we got here to the studio, I'm in tears. This is powerful.

Well, I didn't have any intention of reading it today, but when I heard I'm like, you're reading it on air.

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