A lot of what people nistagically consider eras without tribalism are in fact moments in

American history where people of color, particularly black people, have been deprived of political

power and so things like ethnic and racial lines become less salient.

Hello, I'm Hogan and I'm a Bok's Media Pikes Network.

My guest today is an old friend of mine, Adam Sirworth, who's at the Atlantic and has been

writing great great stuff.

But we know each other from way back.

We worked at the American Prospect together back when dinosaurs were only earth and there

was no Twitter.

But one of the reasons I wanted to have Adam on the show today is I have a lot of discussions

on the show about identity politics and political correctness and the zone of issues and debates

around that.

A lot of those discussions operate within the boundaries of the conversation as it actually

exists, which is to say most of the critique that is being answered is coming from the right.

People who feel the left is going too far on identity politics.

People who feel campus protesters are going too far on political correctness.

And something that has been threading through Adam's pieces over the past, I'd say a couple

of years, is a very interesting version of his critique from the left that political

correctness is operating very powerfully to protect.

I don't want to say exactly right wing constituencies, although sometimes, but majoritarian constituencies.

That identity politics is something that the majority is practicing and is practicing

in ever more clarified and to some of the dangerous ways.

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