This is exactly right.

This story contains adult content and language.

Listener discretion is advised.

It's very much a true crime story, but it is certainly a story about family, family resilience, and the bonds that last over time.

Traumatic events can be both traumatic, but also bring a group of people together in a strange way.

I'm Kate Winkler Dawson, a nonfiction author and journalism professor in Austin, Texas.

I'm also the co-host of the podcast Buried Bones on Exactly Right.

And throughout my career, research for my many audio and book projects has taken me around the world. On Wicked Words,

I sit down with the people I've met along the way, amazing writers, journalists, filmmakers,

and podcasters who have investigated and reported on notorious true crime cases. This is about the

choices writers make, both good and bad, and it's a deep dive into the

unpublished details behind their stories. An assistant college football coach never thought

they'd find his mother because Dolores Wolf had been missing for more than 40 years.

Paul Wolf, along with most everyone else,

believed that his father, Carl, had murdered her.

So what would happen to this case if they found her?

ESPN reporters Adam Rittenberg and Kyle Bonagura

tell me about their investigation from their podcast,

Finding Dolores Wolf.

This is my first interview with one person from ESPN, let alone two.

So tell me how this came about.

I mean, this is the production values great on this podcast.

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