From KCRW Santa Monica and KCRW.com, it's The Treatment.

Welcome to The Treatment. I'm Elvis Mitchell. It's always fun to have old friends come back to the show.

And there's no better old friend than our old friend, Adam McKay, who's hot off a new film.

Of course, the film is Vice.

So good to have you back here.

Thanks, too, for doing this.

Thank you. Thank you for having me.

Always good to have you.

And one of my favorite films of yours happens to of them about guys who live in their own head and their version of the world is different

than the world that anybody else's perception of the world.

And sometimes through sheer will, they can make it happen.

But often they're failing.

Cheney is the guy who actually made it happen.

Oh, my God, that's an interesting comparison.

I like that.

The character, Will's character,

from the other guys compared to Dick Cheney. But you're right. You're right. Cheney is a guy

who definitely keeps his cards close to his chest as a lot of the time is spent in his head.

And boy, oh, boy, did he change the course of history? There's no question.

But often these guys have failed in some way spectacularly. And you And boy, oh, boy, did he change the course of history? There's no question.

But often these guys have failed in some way spectacularly, and you start off with Cheney's failure here.

And it's this interesting through line for me, these people who are so in their own world that sometimes they can't get out of their own way, but Cheney is the one who actually found a way to sort of bend the world to his will.

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