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The Dishcast with Andrew Sullivan

Adam Kirsch On "Settler Colonialism"

The Dishcast with Andrew Sullivan

Andrew Sullivan

Politics, News, Religion & Spirituality

4.6836 Ratings

🗓️ 10 January 2025

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Adam is a literary critic and poet. He’s been a senior editor at The New Republic and a contributing editor for Tablet and Harvard Magazine, and he’s currently an editor in the Wall Street Journal’s Review section. The author of many books, his latest is On Settler Colonialism: Violence, Ideology and Justice. I’ve been fascinated by the concept — another product of critical theory, as it is now routinely applied to Israel. We hash it all out.

For two clips of our convo — on the reasons why Europe explored the world, and the bastardization of “genocide” — pop over to our YouTube page.

Other topics: Adam’s roots in LA; coming from a long line of writers; the power of poetry; its current boom with Instagram and hip-hop; Larkin; the omnipresence of settler colonialism in human history; the Neanderthals; the Ulster colonists; the French in Algeria; replacement colonialism in Australia and North America; the viral catastrophe there; the 1619 Project; “decolonizing” a bookshelf; Marxism; Coates and fatalism toward the US; MLK’s “promissory note”; Obama’s “more perfect union”; migration under climate change; China the biggest polluter; More’s Utopia; the Holocaust; the Killing Fields; Rwanda; mass migration of Muslims to Europe; “white genocide”; Pat Buchanan; the settler colonialism in Israel; ancient claims to Palestine; the Balfour Declaration; British limits on migrant Jews in WWII; the US turning away Holocaust refugees; the UN partition plan; the 1948 war; the Nakba; Ben-Gurion; Jabotinsky’s “Iron Wall”; Clinton’s despair after 2000; ethnic cleansing in the West Bank; the nihilism of October 7; civilian carnage and human shields in Gaza; Arab countries denying Palestinians; a two-state solution; the moral preening of Coates; and the economic and liberal triumphs of Israel.

Browse the Dishcast archive for an episode you might enjoy (the first 102 are free in their entirety — subscribe to get everything else). Coming up: Andrew Neil on UK and US politics, John Gray on the state of liberal democracy, Jon Rauch on his new book on “Christianity’s Broken Bargain with Democracy,” Sebastian Junger on near-death experiences, Evan Wolfson on the history of marriage equality, Yoni Appelbaum on the American Dream, Nick Denton on the evolution of new media, and Ross Douthat on how everyone should be religious. Please send any guest recs, dissents, and other comments to [email protected].

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0:00.0

The Hi there. Welcome to 2025, this wonderful new year. We're all freezing air asses off down here in Washington, D.C. and halfway up the East Coast, but that's kind of nice.

0:39.3

It was Truman's first ever snow, and one of the great joys of having snow is to have a puppy that has never seen it before, and throwing him into big snowdrifts was really quite fun.

0:51.0

So he's been having a ball.

0:52.5

We've been doing great.

0:53.3

We had a lovely break.

0:55.0

I did very,

1:03.0

very little. I read, I slept, I smoked a lot of weed, I watched a lot of Netflix. I had an incredibly low pressure. Christmas didn't really do anything apart from Mass. Anyway, I'm glad it's all over. I like

1:09.9

the new year. And we have a great

1:11.8

season coming up. I'll give you a sense of who we have coming on. We have John Gray, the brilliant

1:17.6

philosophies coming on. They're talking about liberal democracy in the West just after Trump's

1:22.6

re-election in inaugural. We have Andrew Neal, the great British interviewer, journalist, probably one of the

1:30.7

greatest journalists of his generation in Britain coming on next week to talk about the elections

1:35.7

and what's happening in America and in the UK and how those two countries are going to forge

1:41.0

their relationship in the next four years, if they have one. John Rouse is coming on.

1:45.3

He's talking about his new book, Christianity's Broken Bargain with Democracy,

1:49.2

which is talking about how Christianity has some relationship with the survival of liberal democracy.

1:55.3

Nick Denton, formerly Gawker, coming on to talk about the evolution of new media,

2:00.0

and Ross Doubt, my old friend, is coming on to tell you why you should believe in God.

2:06.3

And he'll have his usual success with that, I'm sure.

2:08.4

But God bless me, has written this new book that I haven't read yet, but I'm about to.

2:12.6

But I'm here today to talk about another new book that I found really interesting, and it tackles a topic that's, you know, been floating out there in the discourse and language and words people use.

2:23.8

And you never quite know what the fuck does this mean?

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