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The Bulwark Podcast

Adam Kinzinger: Trump Has Never Seemed this Scared

The Bulwark Podcast

The Bulwark

Politics, News, News Commentary

4.68.9K Ratings

🗓️ 21 November 2025

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Summary

As a man who’s not used to losing, Trump is going through a bit of a rough patch since his party turned against him over the Epstein case. He’s flailing, lashing out, and acting afraid. After all, he knows how many times his name comes up in the Epstein files, and Ghislaine Maxwell continues to enjoy a bevy of special perks at her cushy prison for some reason. At the same time, the economy isn’t helping him, the stench of a lame duck is growing, and the threat of oversight by Dems after the midterms feels real. Plus, some skepticism about MTG’s new-found clarity, Fox and Trump’s war on Christmas, the crash of bitcoin, and the Kinzinger documentary.

Adam Kinzinger joins Tim Miller for the weekend pod.

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to the Bullwark podcast. I'm your host Tim Miller. We are back with a fave. He is a former member of Congress from Illinois.

0:19.9

He served in the Air Force and on the January 6th committee. He can do some bicep curls. And he's the subject of a new documentary, The Last Republican, which is available on Apple TV, Prime Video and other platforms. It's Adam Kinsinger. What's up, man? Hey, I'm at the bulwark studio today. You're not here. And it sucks. I did get to see you in person,

0:56.6

give those arms a squeeze, and see your wife. And it was, you know, it was a funeral. So, but it was still good to see you. But I had to pop up to New York. You know what's funny is they, they did the old, like put out some pictures, you know, from the funeral, like the AP pictures. And they did put out one of Sophie and I, but we're laughing in it.

1:12.6

And we're the only ones where people are laughing. I'm like, what were you laughing about do you think? I don't know, probably George eight, you know, George made a couple jokes or whatever. So probably one of future congressional candidate. Oh no, George W, you met, not George Connell. W. Yeah. Or else Sophie and I were laughing about something.

1:13.0

I don't know.

1:25.2

But I wanted a couple more jokes at the funeral. Can I give notes on the eulogies? Please. The grandchildren's eulogies were really great. And W. And W. And W. is like a character. So he was just in W character. and Liz was obviously good.

1:27.1

I wanted one of them to give me a joke about Dick Cheney accidentally shooting the guy though.

1:29.1

I know.

1:29.9

I feel like you got to just own it.

1:31.1

I figured I got to just own it. And there was a prime spot. One of the grandchildren, and again, you know, not to criticize a young person's youthishy for their grandfather because she was great. And I was getting emotional. But she has a line where she's like, you know, whatever they

1:45.8

called him, grandpa, Dick, sometimes would let us sit in the front row of the fishing boat.

1:49.5

And he wouldn't get mad even if we accidentally hooked him with our rod. And I was like,

1:55.2

this is a prime spot to say, because he has some experience with that. Tim, I honest to God, that exact moment thought the same thing. I remember at one point in the funeral being like, they should joke about him shooting somebody in the face, and it was exactly there because it would have been perfect. Like, he hooked some people, but that's all right. He has no place to judge. You shot a guy in the face, right? Well, if you're doing a, if you're doing a eulogy, send your drafts to me and Adam.

2:18.1

We'll just make sure you're not missing anything.

2:20.4

We've got a bunch of disgust today.

2:22.0

I guess we should start with Donald Trump saying that democratic lawmakers should be

2:26.1

that they have done sedition, which is punishable by death.

2:30.8

That was a bleat that Trump put out.

2:32.4

This is in response to something we talked a little

2:34.3

bit about with Susan Glasser on yesterday's pod, but in case you missed that, you're not,

2:38.4

you're supposed to be listening every day, but just in case you missed that. There was a group of

2:41.5

Democratic House and Senate veterans who put out a video that was basically saying, you know,

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