Hi and welcome to the Working Songwriter. The show where today's best songwriters come

to talk shop, I'm your host, Joe Pug. Each episode here we host a distinguished guest

and we ask them to go deep on their inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and

downs of making a life in music. So, whether you're a grizzled veteran, soldering your own

pedal board jumper cables, or else a scrappy upstart, coding your own boutique streaming

service. This is your show because ultimately it is what every writer seeks most, an iron

clad excuse to put off, actually writing. Hey everybody, it's the first Friday of November

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