When I think about who is Donald Trump,

I mean, this is a man who never showed a particular interest in geopolitics,

never showed a particular interest in complicated schemes that would take a lot of effort and quiet.

He likes big real estate deals.

And so my assumption is for him, this was all about real estate.

I've talked to two different people within the Trump world

who said the whole campaign was originally, no one thought he'd win.

It was a way to get a bigger name, maybe get that Trump Tower,

Moscow, maybe get a few other

projects off the ground.

Hi, I'm Ian Bremmer, and welcome to the GZero World podcast. I'm host of the weekly show GZero

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This week, I sit down with Adam Davidson, staff writer at The New Yorker.

He covers all things business, tech and politics.

And today, I'll ask him, among other things, about Trump's foreign business deals,

and what problems around them could mean for the future of his presidency.

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