Hey, Tim Bidermis here. April is National Poetry Month, and to celebrate, we're returning this week to some of our favorite interviews with poets. Here's Andrew Limbong.

Hey, it's Empire's Book of the Day. I'm Andrew Limbong. We've got a new thing for you today. Empire's Rachel Martin has this new show called Wildcard, where she talks to high-profile

guests about, well, lots of different stuff, really, but she has this way of getting people

I've heard tons of interviews from to open up in new and interesting ways.

So we wanted to play an episode, I think, might be of interest to Book of the Day pod listeners.

It's with poet Laura Ada Limon, and they talk about chocolate, leg warmers, poetry, and death. Like I said,

the podcast hits on a lot of different things. Give it a listen. When's the last time you

forgave yourself for something? This morning.

Great.

Top of mind.

The nice thing about being in my mid-two-late 40s,

yeah, I forgive myself all the time.

I have to.

I'm Rachel Martin, and this is Wild Card, the game where cards control the conversation.

Each week, my guest chooses questions at random.

Pick a card, one through three.

Questions about the memories, insights, and beliefs that have shaped their lives.

I am a very sensitive person, and so either it's sort of all walls or there's no walls,

and I have to find that middle ground.

My guest today is a poet, and I'm going to start our episode with an excerpt of one of her poems.

Look, we are not unspectacular things.

We've come this far, survived this much. What would happen if we decided to survive more, to love harder? This is what U.S. Poet Laureate Ada Limoan does in so many of her

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