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Now, I am of the belief that the Metaverse has positioned

augmented reality and virtual reality in the wrong way. We are thinking that this is all about

hanging out with our friends in virtual worlds. Is that going to actually come to past?

Probably not and definitely not for the time being the real interesting use cases for these

technologies are largely in the enterprise world and while some companies meta have not yet come

to grips with the fact that this is where it's going some some other prominent ones have

that's why i'm pretty stoked to bring to you this conversation

today peggy johnson is here with us she's the chief executive officer of magically and you might

remember that magically used to be very much into the consumer augmented reality approach and has actually

flipped and is now all in on enterprise so this is is going to be a fun one. Peggy,

welcome to the show. Great to have you here. Thanks so much for having me, Alex, looking forward to

this. Yeah, it's great to have you here. This actually originated when I tried the second

version of the Magic Leap goggles out at Davos when I had done this interview with Nick Clegg that talked all about

the metaverse. And I was really surprised, I think, at how good this stuff was and how clear

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