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Hey, this is Annie.

And Samantha.

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And for this activist around the world, we're going to do something kind of themed because for some reason I, well, I know, not for some reason.

But for reasons, I'm on a gardening kick.

Uh-huh.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I feel like that's a clue.

So we wanted to feature Connie Cow, an urban permaculture gardener, writer, content creator, and so much more. So she has a lot of great advice and know-how when it comes to gardening, but also about using a garden to fill more at home. And I really love this.

And of course, it is AAPI Heritage History Month.

So we want to feature more Asian activists and those who have influenced so much.

And yeah, gardening, which I'm really excited because I think I found a book that I'm going to have to pick up BT-dubs, although she's located in Milborn. But it's okay. Okay, we're going to go into this.

So just so we are all on the same page, I wanted to describe what a permaculture is. And this is from

a modern farmer.com. And apparently this was coined by Bill Mullison from the Tanzania area.

So I was like, okay. It's been coined the 70s. Anyway, here's the definitions I give.

It is the conscious design and maintenance of agriculturally productive systems, which have the

diversity, stability,

and resilience of natural ecosystems. It is the harmonious integration of the landscape with

people providing their food, energy, shelter, and other material and non-material needs in a

sustainable way. They go on to say, in other words, permaculture is a holistic living in harmony with

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