Hi, this is Imran Ahmed founder and CEO of the Business of Fashion and welcome to the

BOF podcast. It's been a harrowing week in the United States with civil unrest in the wake of the

brutal murder of George Floyd, and we thought it was an appropriate moment to go back to Voices

2018, where Dorea McKesson, one of the

leading activists in the Black Lives Matter movement, talked to us about how to dismantle the legacy

of racism in America. So here's Doree McKesson from B-O-F Voices 2018.

Now, when we were in the street in Ferguson,

if you ever saw us in the street,

it wasn't that we loved marching.

It was illegal to stand still in August, September,

in October of 2014.

If we stood still for more than five seconds,

we were arrested. And I'm reminded of that so often because it helps me remember how fragile freedom was, how fragile freedom is.

You know, one of the things that we carried with us every single day was this chant, no justice, no peace.

No justice, no peace, a chant that you might have said in the street, a chant that we've

said many times. Some people took that as a threat, but we understood it as a statement of fact that

any call for justice, any call for peace, not rooted in a demand for justice was something that we

didn't want. We wanted a living, breathing justice, a justice that we could feel and touch and see and hear.

A justice has said, Mike Brown was see and hear. A justice has said,

Mike Brown was coming home today. A justice has said, Tamir Rice was playing with his friends again,

and that Rakea Boy was going to another cookout. We wanted a justice made real. No justice,

no peace. Something that we wanted in our boardrooms, our bedrooms, our bedrooms, our classrooms,

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