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That's audible.co to get it on. No choice but to get it on. And speaking of getting it on, Mr. Skin, a rare in the flesh, in the skin edition of Mr. Skin. I usually just speak to you over the phone.

Yeah, it's the first time I've ever met you in person. It's a big thrill. Thank you.

Thanks for having me in.

My pleasure. Now, you're based out of where?

Chicago.

And I'm fascinated with this business.

Essentially, you did what we all did growing up and turned it into a cottage industry.

Yeah, I think I did a little more extreme than most.

I mean, as a kid, there was like this convergence of technologies.

In 1980, I was in high school.

And we were the first people in our whole community to get cable television and a Betamax.

Like, it all kind of happened at the same time.

You're like Elvis.

Well, I'm a little kid in the 70s, Dynasty Nudity.

I got ABC, NBC, CBS, maybe a public television thing.

It was so brutal and such a pussy and booby drought when we were kids that when like PBS would show I Claudius.

Sheila White, naked.

A 14-part mini-series with not a ton of nudity, but the point is there was nudity on TV.

Everyone would have to huddle around the set going, I'm watching I-Claughty.

So now you have a 13-year-old watching I-Claudeus on PBS just to see a booby.

It happened in 1976, and I was one of those people.

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