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From KKUD in San Francisco, I'm Alexis Madrigal.

The Trump administration has not done things the normal way.

In many, many cases, courts have found that the administration acted illegally.

But the law is not an abstract thing, and teams of lawyers working for civil society groups

have to actually file lawsuits and argue those cases.

In both of his terms, the ACLU has been a bulw against governmental overreach,

and this morning we're joined by Cecilia Wang, the ACLU's legal director,

to take stock of what's happened and answer your questions. She's coming up next right after this

news. Welcome to Forum. I'm Alexis Madrigal.

During the first Trump administration, the ACLU successfully challenged Trump's Muslim ban, border wall, and family separation policies.

Since Trump took office for his second term this January, the ACLU has filed, let's call it,

about 111 lawsuits against the administration, defending birthright citizenship, opposing deportations,

and challenging executive orders.

As Cecilia Wang, its national director, legal director notes, litigation has been a tool

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