According to Sources + "Off the Record" with Josh Dawsey, Tyler Pager, + Isaac Arnsdorf

The Lincoln Project

Society & Culture, Daily News, News, Politics

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🗓️ 8 July 2025

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

We have a very special, breaking story and episode premiere for you all. Rick sits down with investigative reporters and co-authors -- Josh Dawsey of The Wall Street Journal, Tyler Pager of The New York Times, and Isaac Arnsdorf of The Washington Post -- for a behind-the-scenes, no-holds-barred 360° look at all angles of our last presidential race in 2024: How Trump Retook the White House and the Democrats Lost America. With unlimited access, award-winning reporters Dawsey, Pager, and Arnsdorf tell the comprehensive, dramatic story of the 2024 presidential election, drawing on the reporters’ extraordinary networks within both parties, over 350 interviews with sources, years of covering the candidates, and an exclusive interview with Trump. The result is the gripping account of how Trump clawed his way back from political oblivion to defeat the Democrats, why opposition to both Biden and Trump collapsed, and how Harris — tasked with running the shortest presidential campaign in modern U.S. history — couldn’t outrun Biden’s shadow. In 2024, the arcs of these three candidates and their campaigns coalesce to tell the definitive account of a historic election, one that resulted in a second Trump term far more emboldened and revenge-fueled than his first. The reporting of these investigative reporters, who were always inside the room, details and sheds new light on all of the stories you thought you knew. • • • • • On X, Josh Dawsey is at @jdawsey1, Tyler Pager is at @tylerpager, and Isaac Arnsdorf is at @iarnsdorf. Now more than ever, please support investigative journalists who continue to serve facts to the public. Rick Wilson is on X at @TheRickWilson and on Bluesky at @TheRickWilson.bsky.social. Please check out Rick's Substack at therickwilson.substack.com, where he writes several articles a week and hosts live conversations with his network of friends. The Lincoln Project's website is www.lincolnproject.us, and on X, you can follow at @ProjectLincoln. If you'd like to fuel LP's ongoing resistance, please visit https://action.lincolnproject.us/helplp to make a difference. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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1:00.3	Hey folks and welcome back to the Lincoln Project podcast. I'm your host. As always, Rick Wilson.
1:04.2	Thank you so much for joining us once again. Every campaign cycle produces a spate of books.
1:10.2	The histories of it, from either people inside
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1:24.9	It's called 2024, how Trump retook the White House and the Democrats
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