Acceptance and Commitment Therapy w/Dr. Steven C Hayes (Episode 66)
Disordered: Anxiety Help
Josh Fletcher and Drew Linsalata
4.9 • 665 Ratings
🗓️ 14 June 2024
⏱️ 46 minutes
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Summary
The principles of Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT) are heard in every episode of disordered. Whenever you hear Drew or Josh talk about acceptance or allowing or surrendering and moving THROUGH anxiety rather than resisting it ... you are hearing elements of ACT.
This week we're a bit banged up - Josh is traveling and Drew has the flu, but fear not. Not only are we going to talk about ACT today, but we're talking about it with the guy that literally invented it - Dr. Steven C Hayes. If you want to explore the foundations of ACT and what it's all about, you can't pick a better person to talk to than Dr. Hayes so we are thrilled about this one.
Surprises in this episode include Dr. Hayes talking about how he's a former sufferer of panic disorder, and framing anxiety as part of the "gift of emotion". Does that seem ridiculous to you? Keep listening. It makes sense when you work it through and aligns perfectly with what we're always talking about here.
To learn more about Dr Hayes, ACT, and the work he's done, check out his website at
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| 0:00.0 | What we're really talking about is receiving the gift that's offered of emotion. |
| 0:06.0 | Emotions come and go and they go up and down because otherwise they wouldn't be any used to. |
| 0:10.0 | If you do the logical, reasonable, sensible things when you have very high levels of anxiety, for example, |
| 0:16.0 | something happens that is different, that is just not even possible to model outside of human beings, |
| 0:22.6 | which is you begin to become anxious about being anxious. |
| 0:25.6 | Yeah, you need to learn how to feel good, but that means learning how to feel good, not how to feel good. |
| 0:32.6 | Learning how to be better at feeling. |
| 0:33.6 | You know, we're cognitive creatures and we do the thing we do and we turn emotion for something |
| 0:39.2 | that's useful to something that's just a torment. Clinging to positive is it becomes a negative. |
| 0:44.8 | You can sometimes cling to negative in order to avoid the unknown of what would it play like |
| 0:49.4 | just to be you. Welcome to Disordered. This is episode 66 of the podcast. Today we're talking about acceptance |
| 0:57.3 | and commitment therapy, otherwise known as act. I am Drew Lin-Salada. I am a therapist in |
| 1:02.8 | training in New York with a specialization in anxiety and anxiety disorders. I'm a three-time |
| 1:07.7 | author in the anxiety disorder space, an advocate or educator, a social media |
| 1:11.8 | dude podcast host, clearly, and unfortunately a former sufferer of anxiety disorders and |
| 1:17.4 | depression for many, many years in my life on and off, and even more unfortunately, |
| 1:20.9 | a current sufferer of the flu. We are a little banged up on disorder this week. I've got myself |
| 1:25.8 | a swing and flu. Josh is on the road taking care of business, |
| 1:28.7 | so it's just me behind the mic kind of limping through today. |
| 1:31.3 | But that's okay. It's still a good episode. And it's not a good episode because I'm here. It's a good episode because Dr. Stephen Hayes is here. If you're going to talk about act, except and commitment therapy, you want to talk to Dr. Hayes because he invented it. |
| 1:43.3 | Like you don't get any better than that. |
| 1:44.5 | Let's just go right to the source. |
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