Let's podcast alongside Joe Jillio. I'm Joe Ovias. We are not inside Eifford Studios in downtown, Raleigh. We are are at ACC tip-off for basketball media days.

Again, we're supposed to be here for hoops.

We'll have great conversations with John Shire at Duke, Steve Forbes at Wake Forest, Paul Brazzo.

We'll get into some nitty-gritty about scheduling with him.

Great conversations.

You'll want to stick around for the Darian Williams, NC State conversation, too.

Yeah, some normal back and forth banter. Yeah. Good stuff, good stuff. So, you know, it kind of set the scene here. We're recording this. It is now currently 211 in the afternoon on Wednesday.

The plan is to just do this front end, put all the interviews together, it out there and we go home and I nap okay

unfortunately in a weird sort of like the universe is funny the last time we were in this building

the hilton in uptown Charlotte for an ac cc event was kickoff and that was the grand arrival of Bill Belichick

and the circus that came along with it.

What I could not anticipate

was the next time we were here today in October

that things have gone so off.

I didn't think Carolina was going to be good this year.

What I did not anticipate,

what I could not have predicted,

was just how quickly it's all fallen apart to the point where you and I are wondering, do we go back to Eifford Studios tonight?

Because AJ dropped some nuggets today, right?

Yeah, Andrew Jones, 247 sports, potential exit strategy discussions occurred this morning at UNC.

And while that doesn't mean Belichick will be fired, but there are preliminary conversations

about the possibility, which the possibility that they won't, because remember, they have

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