This is the Cato Daily Podcast for Monday, July 23rd, 2018. I'm Keelib Brown. Freedom of speech and more broadly academic freedom on college campuses is in trouble.

What brought universities to this point?

Can a restructuring of the university system preserve speech and academic freedom?

At the Voice and Exit Conference in Austin,

I spoke with Brett Weinstein, formerly of Evergreen State College,

and Thaddeus Russell, host of the Unregistered Podcast.

We talked about the future of academic freedom and free speech on campus.

I'm going to start with Thaddeus Russell.

He received his PhD from Columbia University.

He is the host of the popular and engaging unregistered podcast.

I will commend to you a recent one with Nadine Strossen

that you recorded and enjoyed it a great deal.

Nadine Strossen, of course, the former head of the American Civil Liberties Union.

He's the author of Out of the Jungle, Jimmy Hoffa,

and the remaking of the American Working Class,

and also of the book A Renegade History of the United States.

The Out of the Jungle book was based on your dissertation.

And we're also joined by Brett Weinstein, who until very

recently, recently was a professor of evolutionary biology at Evergreen State.

And Brett, just before we started here today,

I said, can you give me the short version of your story?

You both have, I think think very compelling stories to tell but

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