Welcome to the Making Sense podcast.

This is Sam Harris.

Well, today I want to share a clip from the second season of absolutely mental.

The podcast I've been doing with Ricky Gervais.

Many of you will have heard the first season in Holder and Part.

And I think the second season is actually better.

We have hit our stride here, I think.

The genesis of this podcast is that Ricky and I would have an occasional phone call.

And it occurred to me that these conversations were fun enough that we should record them

and see what happened.

So the podcast itself really is virtually indistinguishable from telephone conversations

we were having anyway.

Hence the conceit of making it a phone call.

Obviously, we're aware that we're recording it and it's a podcast.

But to a remarkable degree, it really is the kind of conversation we were going to have

anyway, which is unusual and a lot of fun.

So for many months, I've had the pleasure of rolling out of bed on a Saturday morning

and getting on a line with Ricky, only to be reminded that with civilization unraveling

all around us, he's primarily afraid of spiders.

And as you'll hear, he is very good company.

So now this is a clip from Season 2, Episode 2.

And I hope you enjoy it.

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